King – Presence Ministries – Planet Preterist
Web of Influence
- Barry DuPont -
Barry DuPont hosts a Universalist web site called InfiniteGrace.com and is an administrator of the Universalist chat room "Talk-Grace"
Corporate Body View/First Fruits
"In any case my present thoughts are that "resurrection of the dead" is now a historical occurrence (IE not ongoing). It was "fulfilled" just like everything else that was promised. As such then sin was put away. The last Adam was indeed the last Adam. The "natural man" was an inclusive man with corporate attributes. The "spiritual man" was an inclusive man with corporate attributes. There was individual inclusive participation in the corporate." Barry DuPont, 10-19-2007, 10:14 AM, Talk-Grace
(This quote reflects the corporate body view notion that the resurrection is "past;" viz., belonged to national, corporate Israel and that believers now enjoy resurrection (eternal) life. For adherents of the doctrine of "impossibility of apostasy" this view works well, but for those who believe that the Christian can so sin as to lose salvation, this concept is difficult to square. How can you lose eternal, resurrection life? Universalists extend the notion of impossibility of apostasy to all mankind, and for this reason are at home with the corporate body view. They also like the corporate body view because it saves mankind corporately, rather than by individual obedience to Christ.)
Covenant Eschatology/Corporate Body View/Universalism
"A resurrection took place. The natural man (in Adam) who tried to make human potential into something that it was not died like a seed in the ground and rose up a spiritual man (in Christ), where God’s possibilities can bless humanity. Humanity was reborn. You bible people will notice that 1 Corinthians chapter 15 does not speak of the resurrection of the “bodies” but rather the resurrection of the “body”. There are only two “men” in this chapter, Adam and Christ. Christ was the last Adam." Barry Dupont, Freedom to Discover, Infinite Grace.com
The problem with using the term is that it judges any common or universalistic view by a given “standard” of what "salvation" is interpreted to be. It therefore presumes too much. It presumes that salvation was for the purpose of getting to heaven. (Not that I deny heaven or post mortem continuity, just that such was not the purpose of salvation IMO) In short I do not use the term. The evidence that God is saving people so that they can get to heaven is not very good at all. So I do not use the term. :) Such a definition of Salvation, does not match well with the intent and setting of the “end of the age” judgment that we find in scripture. Since this judgment determined the effect of either being hurt or not, by the “second death”, and since many lived on beyond this judgment, both believer and non believer, then it is clear that post mortem destiny was not the fundamental issue. Lest all who lived through be judged twice which is untenable. In any case such is not the sole indicator that salvation had little to do with post mortem destiny. Barry DuPont, Planet Preterist post, Tuesday, February 26 @ 19:25:16 PST
("Salvation" for some Preterist-Universalists was merely from the cataclysmic judgments involved in the fall of Jerusalem. According to these, all judgment was exhausted in AD 70 and all men are now reconciled to God.)
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